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Re: More Trees - Perception


yeah, !@#$ em

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Re: More Trees - Perception


    Personally, I hate the argument of perception defining existence. It's a completely arrogant point of view in my opinion. I actually had a discussion with a friend of mine who claimed he didn't believe anything was real if he didn't personally experience it. The only problem is...our brains only let us experience what we believe. Basic psychology makes most philosophies pretty empty and shallow, methinks.

I like what TBG mentioned about object permanence.

     The thing about book and water is semantics, not philosophy, and would really be more of an argument about language and communication. The labels you apply could be very different, and in fact are. In English, if I wanted you to know I really like romance novels, I'd say "I really like romance novels!" If I were French I would likely say something along the lines of "J'adore les romans d'amour!"

Because thats what we were taught. We'd just have a hard time communicating. The fact is everyone probably does perceive things differently, and my green could be what you call red. In fact, thats not too unlikely. We'd never know, because we decided that this wavelength of light, however perceived, is green, and the other is red. Now we can have successful communication.

   I personally feel like learning from other's experiences is what enables true intelligence, or in my opinion abstract thought. A tree falls in the forest. I don't see it, because it happened 70 years ago. 70 years later I'm walking through that forest and I happen to see a ditch in the ground about the size of a large tree. I assume, a tree must've fallen here in the past. I look and find the hole where the stump was. I never saw or heard the tree fall myself, or experienced the tree falling, but because I can think abstractly about what once was, I know it fell. Everything leaves a mark. The "sound" is always there if you train your ears.

As far as getting ready for a philosophy class, Hitler (Godwin's law has now been fulfilled) once said something along the lines of "If you tell a lie loud enough and long enough, people will believe it."

Most of my college philosophy classes were just a bunch of people trying to prove they were right. In fact, my philosophy teacher was actually pretty smart and called the class an "argument" class. We learned to present our ideas about what old scholars said, and defend them so that people would have to agree. After all, whats the truth but popular opinion anyways?

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Re: More Trees - Perception


" QUOTE "

Lucid Apex wrote:

    Personally, I hate the argument of perception defining existence. It's a completely arrogant point of view in my opinion. I actually had a discussion with a friend of mine who claimed he didn't believe anything was real if he didn't personally experience it. The only problem is...our brains only let us experience what we believe. Basic psychology makes most philosophies pretty empty and shallow, methinks.

I like what TBG mentioned about object permanence.

     The thing about book and water is semantics, not philosophy, and would really be more of an argument about language and communication. The labels you apply could be very different, and in fact are. In English, if I wanted you to know I really like romance novels, I'd say "I really like romance novels!" If I were French I would likely say something along the lines of "J'adore les romans d'amour!"

Because thats what we were taught. We'd just have a hard time communicating. The fact is everyone probably does perceive things differently, and my green could be what you call red. In fact, thats not too unlikely. We'd never know, because we decided that this wavelength of light, however perceived, is green, and the other is red. Now we can have successful communication.

   I personally feel like learning from other's experiences is what enables true intelligence, or in my opinion abstract thought. A tree falls in the forest. I don't see it, because it happened 70 years ago. 70 years later I'm walking through that forest and I happen to see a ditch in the ground about the size of a large tree. I assume, a tree must've fallen here in the past. I look and find the hole where the stump was. I never saw or heard the tree fall myself, or experienced the tree falling, but because I can think abstractly about what once was, I know it fell. Everything leaves a mark. The "sound" is always there if you train your ears.

As far as getting ready for a philosophy class, Hitler (Godwin's law has now been fulfilled) once said something along the lines of "If you tell a lie loud enough and long enough, people will believe it."

Most of my college philosophy classes were just a bunch of people trying to prove they were right. In fact, my philosophy teacher was actually pretty smart and called the class an "argument" class. We learned to present our ideas about what old scholars said, and defend them so that people would have to agree. After all, whats the truth but popular opinion anyways?

just my .02 cents emoticon



What Lucid said, 'cept for the .02 cents part. It's more like 2 cents or $0.02.

I'm just being obnoxious, Lucid. emoticon

I really liked your post. I couldn't have come close to explaining it better.

Last edited by phunkybrewster, 10/3/2010, 10:22 pm


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hahahaha nice :p

thanks!

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